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Going to have a refugee problem, that is the millions of north korean refugees that would probably run to china's borders if something were to happen. that's a level of conversation that we should be having. but we should also still be focused on diplomacy. the current president of south korea, when he was campaigning, was talking about trying to have a lunch with north korea. that tune has changed. secretary tillerson has always said that the goal is to try to resolve this situation diplomat diplomatically. in order to resolve something diplomatically, we have to create a space in order to do...

Russia need to be on board with us for this regime. and i've asked countless specialists and generals, what can we do to put kim jong-un in a corner and replace that regime and they said we can't. it's china that holds the key to that. if that's the case, how do we get tough with china? >> it's a great question and you're right, the key is china more so than russia. and for some reason they don't want a regime change and i think it's because they don't want-- they want that buff of north korea on their border so that south korea, which is u.s. friendly, isn't right there or joined up with nort...

Can get this done. >> well, and they did the first time around under the obama administration. they came out and had a comprehensive bill that went into the house, and that is the problem. the congressional members are held hostage by a very extreme right of the party that basically does not want any sort of immigration reform, and let's be clear, the idea that the president sent this back to congress, fronted it, ended daca saying he wanted to be right on the -- on the right side of the law is just less than a week after he pardoned a sheriff that was basically breaking the law. so it's not t...

Him from being the next saddam hussein or the next qaddafi. we need to make him understand that if he achieves that capability he will not survive. he will fail. we have to importantly change the chinese calculus. the thing that they most fear is a unified korean peninsula that is friendly to the united states and the west on their borders or a failed north korean state and they have to deal with a 25 million refugee problem and we have to make the chinese understand that war on the peninsula is a very real possibility, that we will not accept a nuclearized east asia and that that would be a w...

Again, i think it's a horrible deal, a disgusting deal i would have never made. an embarrassment to the united states of america and you can say it just the way i said it, and then prime minister turnbull says, well, do you want to talk about syria and north korea? and then the president clearly, an inaudible chunk basically saying, this is crazy, and ends the conversation. >> yeah. so i mean on issues that are arguably from a geopolitical persecutive much more important than this refugee problem, cuts it off and doesn't want to talk to the prime minister of a country which is a key ally of ou...