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Don't hit them first. look at what they're doing to the region. we are americans. we are the good guys. we have to balance, you know, our character against our national security needs. it's not in our national security interests to allow syria to continue to fall apart. it affects our friends in jordan. we don't want to lose the king of jordan to a radical islamic group. we don't want lebanon to be overrun so the syrian refugee problem affects our allies. it is a safe haven for isil. they want three things. they want to purify their faith. they are destroying their christian religion also. the...

Or is this the right option for the white house right now? >> well, number one you need a no-fly zone inside of syria for the refugee problem so people don't have to flee their country. and you need a place where you can train soldiers, a no-fly zone allows you to do that with safety and security. this is in my view, an incremental change so it will not change the conditions on the ground. in the eyes of the enemy, this is weakness. in the eyes of our allies, this is unreliability. isil is not going to be intimidated by this move. you know, they are all in for their agenda, the caliphate and t...

I don't believe donald trump has the capability of doing that. >> you see the backlash emerging now in europe over the refugee problem from syria and iraq. the president said he's going to bring in 250,000 refugees into this country. my fear is and our national intelligence director james clapper said that isis in iraq will infiltrate the refugee population. if that's the case, i don't think we can risk taking one refugee in, although we can help probably on a humanitarian basis. what's your position on that? >> the principle thing we should focus on is a strategy to take out assad and to take...

Take stuff af way. for the last 30 years they've been elected saying here's more. here's more. >> it is. they created a good society. it's a question of how to handle growth. i believe if the immigration or refugee problem can be turned from a problem into an opportunity, just take syria, for example. historically second lar and not super religious in terms of political violence. europe is the only european country. it's younger than america. the irish were growing like crazy before they got by banking bubble. they had lots of immigrants.

Real, then russia is going to pay its price. take a listen. they have initiated a joint ground offensive, shattering the facade that they're there to fight isil. this will have consequences for russia itself. which is rightfully fearful of attack upon russia. i also suspect in the coming days the russians will suffer casualties in syria. >> governor? >> this is the first time in a very long time, having anything to do with the middle east that i agreed with john mccain. in order to solve the refugee problem in europe, we have to have a safe haven and it has to be in syria. and we need a no-fly...