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It's concerning. but this is what terrorist groups do. they want to scare us. but it's no secret that they want to target washington, d.c. they want to target new york. you know, i believe isis, i take them at their word when they say they want to come here and kill americans. that's why we've got to be so vigilant. isis has said they'll use this crisis to infiltrate america. i take them at their word they're trying to do that. and that's why it's so important we take a step here and say let's wait, let's pause, the refugee flow into the u.s. until the fbi director is satisfied we can do backg...

Depth to the ability of isis to operate. so i don't think any of us can make light of it. but i think we have to be prepared. and i believe that's what's happening. i think far more important is how do we get the free democratic western world together to be able to work together to provide some element of safety to people and also to defeat what is the worst scourge i have seen in my political lifetime. >> i want to get to the syrian refugee question and dilemma in a second, but before i do i just want to ask you. are intelligence officials as far as you know picking up any chatter that might ...

No one steps on any toes. i think what putin has done in europe is make himself indispensable on the syrian question which touches the refugee question in europe which is the number one political problem for europe right now, with dealing with the refugees and cutting off the source of refugee flows. putin is using syria to kind of repair his relationship with europe which was badly damaged over the ukraine crisis. i think that's the real angle from the russian perspective. >> there's been a lot of criticism about this so-called bomb doctrine. i first want to play sound from obama in august 20...

Less likely that israel gets attacked if we bomb assad. i think more likely. if you look at the refugee question in jordan, it is destabilizing to jordan. more or less likely that there will be more refugees if we bomb assad. i think there will be more. more or less likely that turkey gets attacked crun. i think it's more likely. crunch the ayatollah in iran says all this bluster about me not getting nuclear weapons, for us, in that region, to let turkey and saudi arabia and others say if iran has nuclear weapon, we need to have num clear weapons too. >> this is an argument for why the preside...

Groups out, is it unconstitutional to give a religious preference to minority religions on the refugee question. those are the big issues i think that are going to work out through the courts in the coming months. for now, the legal action will be will the ninth circuit stay this judge's order. will the execuve order go back into effect again. and, you know, that's going to be rapidly moving, it just hasn't happened yet. >> we will follow this closely. our pete williams breaking it down. always great to have you on, sir, thank you for your time. >> you bet. joining me is yamiche and mike. ya...