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Out of this? >> i worked with a lot of disease groups and have a child with disabilities. it's crushing to hear that. i hope the commissioner hears that. i hope commissioner gottlieb hears that. there is flexibility. saw it today or yesterday. the administration announced they would pay refund checks for the irs. these things are always more art than they are science. and law. and so this is a good situation where maybe you bring this to the attention of the administration. they can do something about making sure these folks at the fda get back to work. >> by the way, i'm not sure she said tha...

Out there who are suffering. >> thank you so much. >> no matter how you cast it, government shutdowns are painful for millions of americans. and obviously for that mom in minnesota. back now with our political team here in washington. joining the conference, ana navarro, former senator rick santorum. senator santorum, i mean, is there a way out of this? >> well, i just want to address that because i've worked with a lot of disease groups and have a child with disabilities. and it's just -- it's crushing to hear that. i hope the president hears that. i hope commissioner gottlieb hears that. the...

To all legislation. two first raised the idea to put pressure on the president and mitch mcconnell. cardin and van hollen represent thousands of furloughed government workers. >> you can expect to get your tax refund on time even if the shutdown drags on. the acting director of the office of management and budget announcing refund checks will be sent out during a shutdown. that reverses a long standing policy. according to senior administration official, budget officials are relying on a 2011 men kn memo that argues refunds can be paid during a shutdown. they plan to recall a significant porti...

Refund checks go unpaid in the shutdowns and the irs says it plans to recall a significant portion of the furloughed employees as the tax season approaches. jeremy diamond has more from the white house, and this is another one of the cases where the white house, and the president realizing that this is another reason that the shutdown is unpopular, because the folks who got their taxes in on time would not be paid otherwise. >> right, jim. this is about the white house's sfrats ji to mi strategy to mitigate the effects of the shutdown. and they have reversed a longstanding policy of those refu...

The american people. >> democrats will attempt to block a serious sanctions bill when it comes up for a vote later this morning. this in order to keep the focus on the government shutdown. and according to a senior aid i go aide, party leaders are discussing the idea of broadening the strategy to all legislation. two first raised the idea to put pressure on the president and mitch mcconnell. cardin and van hollen represent thousands of furloughed government workers. mcconnell refusing to put any government funding bills on the floor unless the president supports them. you can expect to get y...