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Regime changes in russia, because the life of people in russia will become worse and worse. and during this terrible year, their life is becoming worse and worse, and it will get even worse. that's what we are explaining to them, that it's in russia's interests to lose in this war, and the regime change is in russia's interests. people who call for regime change, as you havejust done with me, russians, they often face a very real threat to their lives, both inside russia and, some of them, outside russia. are you fearful right now? no. no, iam not. have you been threatened? i was threatened be...

With your daily flow of news and information? for example, do you think you could call for ukraine, could you express a wish that ukraine win this war, that putin be entirely defeated, and still reach that hesitant portion of the russian population? of course, if we explain to this russian population that it's in its interests that putin loses the war, and that regime changes in russia, because the life of people in russia will become worse and worse. and during this terrible year, their life is becoming worse and worse, and it will get even worse. that's what we are explaining to them, that i...

Regime changes in russia and when we'll be able to return back home just like we do, for example and our colleagues in tv rain, it is wonderful to work in exile from latvia and georgia, but we have our home. we have russia, but different russia from what we have after february 24th, and if we're speaking about russian society in russia, russian society is depressed. a lot, a lot, a lot of people are against this the war, but don't have any chance to speak out because it's too dangerous. >> katia, back to you there in munich, how significant was it at the conference to hear vice president harri...

Them, they are all in exile. they fled the country just as we did. they were trying to explain there is a chance for russia to rebuild a democracy. and i truly believe in this, too. >> so i guess the question is, are you and other exiles outliers or does this speak to a larger issue that many russians are dealing with right now who remained in the country? we saw people flee the country at the start of the war and more fled last year when more military conscripts were announced, about 300,000. that having been said, it has remained quite muted and one can't depend on how people feel in surveys...

Focus of ours, we've worked very effectively. no doubt, the iranian... the protesters and others would want more, because what they would want is to be able to live freely, live with dignity and security. we're not in the business of regime change, and i think we've had enough of an experience, a very sad experience of trying to engineer regime changes, particularly in the middle east. that's not what our task is. 0ur task is to stand up for the iranian people and to do what we can, sanctioning, mobilizing the international community, putting iran sort of in the spotlight, and making sure that...