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United states and europe? >> the regime collapse is going to be pretty hard to achieve. that seems to be what he's going for. but i think the rest of the world is not in step here. by blowing up the iran deal, in the spring we lost the support we had, which was hard to achieve in russia and china and obviously the eu. and they're working against us as you just said and i dhingk russia and china are not going to care about the threats. >> i want to stay on that because the national security adviser said this morning he is not worried about countries like you a iran and china doing a workaround ...

The better. >> robin, let me ask you, the point at which there seems to be some agreement is that what we're headed for is a kind of regime change like strategy. press iran, probably economically, but not -- the united states is not going to go into syria, yemen, lebanon to push back against iran. what you end up with is trita right, regime collapse and a very messy kind of situation? >> one of the things that everyone in washington is concerned about is what happens even if you get to the point that the regime is confronted, is vulnerable, does begin to either collapse or deteriorate? and the...

Go, particularly at this time. i do believe that the islamic republic is internally weak and makes sense to deprive them of our currency. >> trita, i'm guessing you disagree. >> i disagree with the idea that the united states is in a position and has the capacity to do a regime change in iran that would lead to a better government in iran, the iranian people certainly want to see democracy and are deeply frustrated with the current state of the country. but where is the last time, give me an example, of the united states doing a regime change in the middle east, that led to a proper democracy?...

Change approach. >> which you applaud? >> i do. i think it's the correct way to go, particularly at this time. i do believe that the islamic republic is internally weak and makes sense to deprive them of our currency. >> trita, i'm guessing you disagree. >> i disagree with the idea that the you tats is in a position and has the capacity to do a regime change in iran that would lead to a better government in iran, the iranian people certainly want to see democracy and are deeply frustrated with the current state of the country. but where is the last time, give me an example, of the united state...

You know, i would say that the more the united states is there, the better. >> robin, let me ask you, the point at which there seems to be some agreement is that what we're headed for is a kind of regime change like strategy. press iran, probably economically, but not -- the united states is not going to go into syria, yemen, lebanon to push back against iran. what you end up with is trita right, regime collapse and a very messy kind of situation? >> one of the things that everyone in washington is concerned about is what happens even if you get to the point that the regime is confronted, is v...