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Being felt in pyongyang and around the country. but it doesn't seem to be making much of an impact, in so far as kim jong-un is hell bent on building his nuclear program. so where does the region and the world go from there? >> i think it will take some time. previously, quite frankly, we didn't implement real sanctions. you know, north korea is a very interesting country in the sense that their regime security is located higher than national security, which means the security of the kim jong-un regime is more important than national security. but previous sanctions were just focusing on natio...

Cooperation is quite meaningful in the sense that they would be targeting the regime security. in other words, destabilize the security of the kim regime by freezing some 40 assets and targeting some pseudo chinese companies within china. actually, north korean national companies, you know, went into china and created a lot of pseudo chinese companies -- >> right. >> they are actually doing so many wrong things on behalf of north korea. >> so you actually support the way that president trump has gone about in dealing with north korea? >> i do. >> you support the tough and harsh rhetoric? >> no...

Table. >> well, north korea has a nuclear capacity today, so i think north korea feels that it is unlikely there would be an initiation of a military campaign against north korea because of their threat against the region. what we want to see is north korea change its calculation, and by that i mean that it's in their interests to freeze their program and ultimately eliminate their nuclear program. they can get regime security in a different way if they work with china. that's where the united states and china have a common agenda. both want to see north korea without nuclear weapons, and we a...

To talk about this instead. what exactly does north korea want? if we were to go to the table and start negotiating with them, what would that look like? >> well, i think that we underestimate what they want. we're looking at it from a u.s. perspective. in intelligence we call this mirroring, when you assume the adversary wants what you would want if you were them. i think most of all what they want besides regime security is honor as they see it on their own terms. and i think it would be very unpalatable to americans to give that to them. and i think the key that's going to happen here if we...

Immediately, which is what the demand from washington is. so there is this huge mismatch between the expectations in washington and in pyongyang. >> but on the mismatch and the expectations, if north korea, and that's a big if, if north korea agrees to give up their nukes, they're going to want something in exchange. what is that something you think? >> their something is complete security guarantee, regime survival and, quite honestly, we can give no first attack security guarantee that we will not be attacking first. but we cannot guarantee personal security. we cannot guarantee regime secur...