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Believed the nuclear program was their security and it provided them with regime stability and security. we've now flipped the narrative. i believe we have convinced the nuclear program presents a threat to him. >> is the kim regime so convinced that the secretary seems to think they are, in the past 10 days in the summit they haven't done much to take a step towards denuclearization, towards inviting inspectors in and giving up nuclear weapons. >> pompeo second trip to north korea. he has north koreans to surrender about five nuclear devices in a show of good faith. they didn't do it. as the ...

Complete denuclearization. in exchange for that, we will provide security assurances. hugh, u.n. the story well. for decades, kim, his father, grandfather alike believed the nuclear program was their security out. it provided them with regime stability and security. we have now flipped that narrative. i believe we have convinced him that nuclear program in fact, presents a threat to him and giving it up is a path towards a brighter future for the north korean people. >> what she like, mr. secretary, when the cameras aren't on and the doors are closed? when you first went, does he have a sense ...

No doubt. >> mieke, that's the assumption of previous presidents going back to bill clinton and certainly w. the assumption that the north koreans are rational in terms of cost benefit. that if their nuclear program was costing them to be isolated from the world, to be impoverished forever, they would choose against it. but they haven't been that way. they haven't been logical that way. just like lbj thought he could buy the north vietnamese with a big economic -- like the tva, the tennessee valley authority. people are nationalistic. they have their own purposes. is north korea interested in ...

Denuclearization? >> i think they want to do. i know they want to do that. they want other things along the line. they want to develop as a country. that's going to happen. i have no doubt. >> mieke, that's the assumption of previous presidents going back to bill clinton and certainly w. the assumption that the north koreans are rational in terms of cost benefit. if their nuclear program was costing them to be isolated from the world, to be impoverished forever, they would choose against it. they haven't been logical that way. just like lbj thought he could buy the north vietnamese with a big ...

The reason why this is a sucker's deal is. this it's quite simple. the only reason that the iranys are at the table the economic sanctions are so strict and harsh right now that the regime stability is threatened. the only way iran would ever give up nukes, ever, is if the regime has a sense that it is threatened. that's the only thing that would stop them. and they are now beginning to worry about economic instability in the country. here we are at a point of maximum leverage. what does this so-called deal offer? it relieves the iranians. it changes, it weakens the infrastructure of the sanct...