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Georgia, my home state, i think those have been wildly exaggerated, the effect of those. and i think there's a lot of hyperbole going on so i don't think necessarily democracy is at risk through some of those laws right now, but that doesn't mean that there aren't efforts under way that we need to be cautious of, particularly as we've seen in georgia, you have people running for secretary of state running on the concept that the election was stolen. so those are the things that i'm worried about. >> ron brownstein, final observation. another brilliant piece in "the atlantic" in which you wrote...

Georgia, my home state, i think those have been wildly exaggerated, the effect of those. i think there's a lot of hyperbole going on so i don't think necessarily democracy is at risk through some of those laws right now, but that doesn't mean that there aren't efforts under way we need to be cautious of, particularly as we've seen in georgia, you have people running for secretary of state running on the concept that the election was stolen. so those are the things that i'm worried about. >> ron brownstein, final observation. another brilliant piece in "the atlantic" in which you wrote about wh...

About in. >> i think the first thing, and this is not the subject of the hearing today, but we have been talking about it all year. russian attempts to get into the state voting systems, voting machines, registration lists, and that kind of thing, i think that is still a risk. there has been a lot of work done, but i don't think the states are as secure as they think they are. that is a risk. secondly is which whole disinformation campaign which they're very good at. the soviet union did this starting in the 30s. they are really good at it, they're experienced at it, and they're way ahead of u...

The national committee, wikileaks and all that? and the third that doesn't get much attention that i think is incredibly important is we know the russians tried to get into several or more than several state election systems, voting machines and registration lists, and that's a huge problem that i think we're going to have to focus considerable resources on and also figure out how to prevent it. because the information is they didn't change any voting results, but, you know, they weren't doing it for fun. so we have to be sure that doesn't happen in two years, four years or six years. >> on th...

Been put together largely without people's knowledge or consent precisely the type of vast and secretive registry the nra has so successfully fear amongered over for years. the database has been built through years of acquiring registration lists, gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun safety classes taught by nra-certified instructors, and by buying lists of attendees of gun shows, subscribers to gun magazines and are more. e-mails obtained through the freedom of information act request show nra representatives offering payment to state agencies in exchange for names of conce...