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i think you can expect some fairly big bombshells. >> let's bring you in here ron, you are not meant to be coy, i know you are not. a straight shooter. cipollone defended trump in the first impeachment hearing, the fact that he is from trump's inner circle, he was not like chomping at the bit to testify. he was not witness number one he is just coming in. how important is it that this is the first, this is the guy that is coming to testify now? how important is this to the overall committee's ability to make the case to the american electorite. >> i am not a lawyer but as a journalis...

>> it seems to me they are in boat loads of trouble. not just legal but reputation damage it is significant. this is true for so many people who have gone to work for donald trump. many of them were aware of the risks going in. they worked for him any way. that was always the thing. stunned me, there were people bright, rudy giuliani, all sorts of exposures, all of these people were bright yet they still were asked to do things that crossed lines that they knew they should not be crossed. they crossed them any way. just, just to stay in the good graces of the man who has been discredited and d...