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To happen before the indictment issues now has happened. and it is one day? is it two days? is it three days? by tuesday, we'll know the nature of the charges. and as you say, it's just a seismic event. we look so carefully in such a granular way week in and week out. but then you take a step back and understand that the federal government is charging a former president with the most treacherous act in opposition of democracy rule of law and the sacrosanct principle of peaceful transfer of power in our history. it's a monumental event in and of itself. and then of course given that it will com...

U.s. senate. and so she's providing an alternative path for republicans which is to say do the hard work of changing hearts and minds focus on some of these consensus items where you can get 70 or 75% of the public and make the case that democrats are the extremist on abortion. how that will play out in the republican primary and general elect rat is hard to predict but that was the point of dobbs which is this is going to go back to the political process and who knows where it will land but that's where it belongs. paul: let's turn to brawl between ron desantis and disney sued the governor th...

Committees it seems like sinema as an independent the democrats will have that. the biggest question down the road is what's going to happen? is the democratic party going to support her in the primary? >> you made the question she could have done it closer to re-election but seemed clear to me from the interview with jake she didn't want it seen as a political move but when you look at arizona, she alienated the left flank but we got a sense of where they are and a whopping 40% of that elect rat identifies as independents and quite a lot of republicans in that state feel abandoned and maybe t...

Republican or a democratic issue. this should be an issue of upholding the democracy that we have as a nation, shared, the republic that we are trying to make better on an ongoing basis. the more perfect union. yet, some people, most of them from your party, all of them from your party actually have fallen into this thing in which they are trying to perpetuate this big lie. it's going to work for some of them. >> it is a concern. i'm a republican who is concerned about it and that's why i'm speaking out and willing to talk to anybody about this issue. the good news is there are credible, good,...

Conference there is real fear among more mainstream republicans from crossing gosar and greene and running the risk they become the next liz cheney, almost a martyr of sorts cast out by the republican party because she broke with president trump. so i think increasingly you going to see republicans feel pressure to stand with people like gosar and greene because they speak for that really impassioned and important minority bloc within the party elect rat. >> outside of republican primaries in general elections what about the su sur ban moms and others who are independents or moderate republica...