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Here's what we do know. falling into the ranks and saying, well, my democrat is an okay sexual harasser versus the republican harasser is wrong. we need to look at this in the totality and we have to understand particularly as women that bad men can only get away with bad behavior if we continue to enable it. so if a democrat, for example, women in their party are going to give them a pass, it never stops. we continue to throw away the lives of an entire generation of young women and of adults. >> you know, it's interesting. we're out of time. i would wonder, i'd be interested in asking a lot ...

Same? can she effectively distance herself from the president on some of the worst aspects of his report without -- >> it's kind of analogous to trying to -- it's not exactly that, she was secretary of the state and left early, but clearly the president is not having a high watermark in his administration. if fatigue sets in, there could be a fatigue factor that could hurt. that being said, hillary is her own person. she has her own record, but there will be a hangover, fatigue effects. >> and we used bill clinton strategically. his numbers, and -- very, very eye, but in swing states, he was a...

As governor. go to the blue state of arizona, or new mexico -- >> you're not intimidated? you're not impressed? >> of course. she's going to be formidable. she would be a formidable candidate, but there are obvious case studies where republicans do well, and we can learn from that and we should. >> donna, today's democratic party is very different from the one that hillary's husband presided over in the '90s. he was praised for welfare reform, lowering abortion rates. you know, don't ask/don't tell. it's a different party, and even when hillary last ran for president, you were allowed to be a ...

National party, a party that could -- >> because he moved it to the center? >> because he moved it where the mainstream of america was, where the left and right could actually get together and get things done. hillary clinton, if she decides to run will be a formidable candidate, because i think like bill clinton, she has the ability to reach out to some of the republicans who might be scared off by a party that's gone so far right that they can't make another turn. she might be able to broaden the democratic coalition and build upon that. >> you don't think elizabeth warren will pull her left...

Right they may not be able to get people in the middle as you've been able to do. >> donna, with your many years of experience, you know these battles are a combination of purity and electability. at the base level parties like purity until they keep getting their butt kicked, and all of a sudden then they factor in electability. maybe it's time to sprinkle in some electability. and to hillary and bill, look, they obviously are iconic figures in american politics, but presidential elections tend to be mostly about the future. it's very rare that it gets decided about reminiscing about the past...