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That they are in a political fist fight. and that their job is to preserve the institutions of the justice department and fbi against attacks from all sides. and make sure that these institutions are able to do their job. and they're doing the right thing in that regard. >> the last few back and forths we've had have been less contentious than the issues we heard when we heard rep jordan and rep gowdy speaking with these gentlemen. did you get a sense that rod rosenstein was pushing back today? was this him kind of digging in? >> rod is defending the institution, which he should. he's the chie...

Conclusions about how the particular investigation has been handled. however, the russia investigation did come up today. let's listen to congressman trey gowdy. >> we've seen the bias. we need to see the evidence. if you have evidence of wrongdoing by any member of the trump campaign, present it to the damn grand jury. if you have evidence that this president acted inappropriately, present it to the american people. there's an old saying that justice delayed is justice denied. i think right now all of us are being denied. whatever you got, finish it the hell up. this country is being torn apa...

Jamil, is this hypocrisy? >> look, trey gowdy's the former federal prosecutor. he knows how long it takes to build a case and the like. at the same time, he's expressing a reasonable frustration which is not a frustration about just that the american people or the president wants it to end, but that the overall politicization are making it easier for the russians trying to cause chaos in our political system. he's right saying this is playing into the russians' hands. at the same time, he knows investigations take a while, and it should be allowed to run its course in the time frame necessary ...