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>> he really believes that let me just jump in here. he really believes it, right? he is not going up there selling a product that he knows is defective. i think he talks himself into believing it, does he not? >> bill, i will let you play the psychiatrist. i am gnostic on what's inside of his head. i will tell you something about the words that i hear. what he is telling us is that everything is fine. it's going to be working correctly. but that's not going to work on somebody who gets a cancellation notice. he says he did this whole thing so that more people have access to health insurance. ...

>> he really believes that let me just jump in here. he really believes it, right? he is not going up there selling a product that he knows is defective. i think he talks himself into believing it, does he not? >> bill, i will let you play the psychiatrist. i am gnostic on what's inside of his head. i will tell you something about the words that i hear. what he is telling us is that everything is fine. it's going to be working correctly. but that's not going to work on somebody who gets a cancellation notice. he says he did this whole thing so that more people have access to health insurance. ...

Out of control? >> we've made several statements about engaging in civil disobedience in a peaceful nature. the video exemplifies that. how can you attack people sitting on the ground? what threat do they pose to anybody? >> i'll answer that in conversation. i think it's part of a bigger plan. i think they're putting their foot down saying, look, this is what we're going to do if you come out here. what evidence do we have that that's not what they're doing? where does that leave you? >> it leaves us in a situation where we have to be mindful of our actions. the occupy wall street protests ove...

The reality is you can't kill an idea. you can't kill reality. you can't repeal reality. the reality for a lot of students, they can't face the rising cost of tuition faced with this economy. where are the kids supposed to go? it's an issue of the lack of accountability, whether the chancellor at uc davis, or a banker. why are the police placed on paid leave? a police officer is harming citizens who are literally exercising their first amendment freedom of assembly. >> you heard the professor say this is standard operating procedure. he's seen the movie before. they rough up the kids, put a co...

I think it's just theoretical, you know, it's this theoretical world that president obama seems to live in and i'm becoming more and more concerned about that and you say? >> it's also a rhetorical world, theory and rhetoric. it's like king knute being urged by his worshipful acolytes to tell the tides to go backwards and at least knute had the self-consciousness to tell them that can't be done. obama thinks that he is repeal reality with rhetoric. i mean, after all, the one thing he can really do well is campaign that's undeniable. he is one of the great campaigners in american history. he tw...