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>> that's right. >> david, this is part of what we've been reading about in michael wolff's book in "fire and fury" he said it was the president's claim he could do something, i could fire him, he said say. it was another of his repetitive loops, i can fire him, i can fire him. mueller. the idea of a show down in which the stronger, more determined man prevails was central to trump's own personal methology. so this is absolutely consistent with his character. >> and don mcgahn has not been showing himself a hero at other moments. i think ari's reading of this is shrewd. he wasn't a hero during...

Someone said it to a lawyer personally. but the law there is, you cannot participate in a fraud on behalf of the client. so if he's really being recruited to, in fact, obstruct justice, yeah, he has to think about himself as well. >> david, from the scene -- >> the white house counsel is the white house lawyer, not the president's lawyer, right? there's no attorney-client privilege. he's supposed to put the interest of the presidency first, not the interest of the particular president. >> that's right. >> david, this is part of what we've been reading about in michael wolff's book in "fire and...

Evidence against all of these people gathering together and committing a crime. >> wolff also writes this about trump's opinion of bob mueller, jill. and then there was the president's insistent claim he could do something. i can fire him, he would say. indeed it was his -- it was another of his repetitive loops. i can fire him, i can fire him. if he thinks he can fire mueller, than what's preventing him from doing just that? >> well there are two things. one is he can't fire him. he would have to fire rosenstein. in order to do that, he would probably have to get rid of the attorney general a...