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Circumstances? that's a question that they have yet to answer and, in fact, we are not going to have a formal briefing today but because the president is heading to wisconsin, there will be a gaggle on the plane. you can bet that question will be asked and one more point, there's a lot of concern now by people who want tax reform that this is going to hold it up. until he releases his tax returns, the democrats are going to say, how can we have tax reform when we don't know how it's going to affect the president's own taxes. >> i'm going to bring m panel in to break this down. this topic has m...

But ask david a quick question. saw the white house push back hard against rachel maddow today. when you went this them with the returns, what was the reaction? >> they like me wanted to do everything they could to stlemt, make sure not a setup of some time. number one concern. i've been running around tying down details consulting people. checking numbers. published at d.c. report.org. >> but sent to the white house? >> i sent to sean spicer who didn't reply and made clear would be a big story and wanted the white house to get its story oit about it. sent also to the firm who wouldn't comment...

Over his taxes. this after our rachel maddow revealed last night a portion of the president's 2005 federal tax return. something that he's refused t do in the past. two pages that we obtained by david k. johnston, a reporter for the website d.c. report.org. a longtime "new york times" reporter and an author of a book on donald trump. the forms show that donald trump paid $38 million in federal taxes on $152 million of reported income after writing off $103 million in business losses giving him an effective tax rate of 25%. david k. johnston said this to stephanie ruhle this morning. >> except ...

Question. we saw the white house push back very hard against rachel maddow. when you said that you had the returns, what was the reaction from them? >> they, like me, wanted to do everything they could to vet them to make sure this wasn't a setup of some kind. that was their overwhelming concern. i've been running since 5:00 this morning, tying down all sorts of little details you're never going to put on the air to make sure we had, consulting with people, checking the numbers. >> you sent them to them. >> i gave them to, well, first of all, they're published d.c. report.org which is a non-pr...