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The campaign. i have not been asked any questions by mueller. i don't know if there's any russian collusion, thankfully, by the way, given what caputo just said. look, my view of this is that the big, significant event was when the house report republicans came out and said there's no collusion here, because it makes this now look more like a partisan attack against trump and the administration. and i talked to more and more people who believe that -- i don't know the details of this case the way that you all do. but when i talk to real people on the street, they believe that it's become a way...

We're talking about before the break about obstruction of justice, what it means to our panel members. not that they'd ever do it themselves or anything like that. just, steven, do you think if the president -- do you see any scenario by which the president avoids being subpoenaed? i mean, if he refuses to go voluntarily? >> so i was a senior adviser to the campaign. i have not been asked any questions by mueller. i don't know if there's any russian collusion, thankfully, by the way, given what caputo just said. look, my view of this is that the big, significant event was when the house report...

They send a report saying there was no collusion in relation to the president whose water they carry 24 hours a day. >> it's important politically -- >> because they want to kiss more tukus, yes. >> but the republicans say there's no collusion. it's hard for me to see that trump is in great jeopardy. >> so jennifer, just from a legal standpoint, do you see any scenario by which the president refuses to go voluntarily and does not get subpoenaed? >> the only thing would be if mueller really doesn't need it. if he just kind of was pushing the interview just to kind of wrap things up that aren't ...

Shorter period of time or over a appropriate number of days. but i just want to say, the release of the house republicans' report was an insignificant moment -- >> i don't think so. >> no, no, no. you talked. in the same way that when the democrats come out with their report, it will be an insignificant moment. >> let me explain -- >> no, not yet. >> let her finish. >> the republicans are basically the little boy in the cookie jar and then issue a report that they were not the little boy in the cookie jar. they send a report saying there was no collusion in relation to the president whose wate...

The other thing is, i keep saying that trump -- i think he should not fire mueller, but he should certainly start to require that they put some of their cards on the table. because, you know, if they have all of this information about the alleged collusion, let's see it? >> christine, do you think he goes -- gets subpoenaed? >> if he doesn't cooperate, absolutely, i think he gets subpoenaed. there's no question in my mind that mueller is not going to move forward without bringing the president in for questioning. he's at a stronger hand if he comes in voluntarily and they work something out, s...