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And location. and then these really noisy personality predictions. that was basically it. >> when you were offering your data to cambridge analytica, you knew who -- you knew what they did -- did you know what they were going to do with it? did you know what their interest was? >> no. i was pretty heavily siloed as far as clients. i found out about donald trump just like everybody else, through the news. >> what's also key to point out here is that former white house chief strategist steve bannon was vice president and secretary of cambridge analytica until he stepped down to run trump's campa...

Investigation. during his 11-hour appearance before the house intelligence committee yesterday, he said the white house instructed him not to answer questions about his time in the white house or in the transition. in an effort to compel his testimony, the committee subpoenaed bannon on the spot yesterday. however, nbc news reports now that after the subpoena was issued bannon attorney william burke conferred with the white house officials who continued to insys that bannon should still not answer the committee's questions. despite following those orders for the most part, axios is today repor...

Bannon gets carried away, he gets kind of low kwash us. that's a dream witness for mueller. >> ken delaney, i think it is important to point out something, you guys are all well steeped in this. just for our viewers, "the new york times" in reporting bannon had been subpoenaed did clarify that the subpoena is a sign that mr. bannon is not personally the focus of the inquiry. justice department rules allow prosecutors to subpoena the targets of investigations only in rare circumstances. ken, that suggested to me what he had to say would be important, maybe in investigating someone else who was ...

Wrong end, could the firing of sally yates have had something to do with wanting to rid the justice department of anybody who was onto donald trump and his ties to russia? >> absolutely. so, you know, the obstruction of justice statute says you're guilty of a federal crime if you try to impede an official investigation. and we know that president trump has tried to protect people who are potential witnesses in this investigation. so, flynn is kind of the big kahuna and he's cooperating apparently with mueller. so, lots of information from him. but one thing that bannon has to be concerned abou...

The move comes after backlash over remarks adistricted to steve bannon in a new book. maybe you heard about that. meanwhile, "the washington post" is reporting bannon told associates he plans on focus creating a political operation in 2018. is he banking on president trump needing help from him again in the future. predicting that congressional republicans will eventually dessert the president. will that happen, chris? >> chris: it depends on how things go. you know, one of the challenges that steve bannon has, he views the world, he sees the world in these weird, large, historical swoops and ...