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Cages? >> to my knowledge, cbp never purposely put a child in a cage if you mean a cage like this. >> i've seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> sir, they're not cages. >> what are they? >> areas of the border facility that are carved out for the safety and protection of those who remain there while they're being processed. >> so thus the expression elections have consequences. both gentlemen remain with us. garrett haake, michael steele. garrett, might this have been one of those hearings on the hill that's kind of designed to be contentious? >> absolutely, brian. ...

Pardon from trump. and while this reporting doesn't show that cohen personally sought a pardon, it does show that he was very involved in efforts to ask trump lawyers for a pardon. >> yeah, you just jumped to my question. because i've learned with this crowd you have to figure out how much room everybody has to wiggle out of a quote. could cohen saying i never asked for a pardon give him the room he needs if someone came back at him and said, yeah, but your lawyer apparently did? could he find just enough plausible deniability in there? i don't know. >> i think it's likely he will make the arg...

But people in his orbit are having a hard time getting on the same page as his gut. donald trump believes what he believes all evidence to the contrary. the "washington post," ann gearrin and robert costa share the byline that goes along with this headline which says it this headline, which says it all, and we quote. "i think you mean that, too. trump's aides struggle to defend, explain his foreign policy statements. just in the space of the last month, we've seen a few examples of this. >> some really bad things happened to otto. some really, really bad things, but he tells me, he tells me th...

Made to detain children. >> just yes or no. are we still putting children in cages? >> to my knowledge, cbp never purposely put a child in a cage if you mean a cage like this. >> i've seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> sir, they're not cages. >> what are they? >> areas of the border facility that are carved out for the safety and protection of those who remain there while they're being processed. >> so thus the expression elections have consequences. both gentlemen remain with us. garrett haik, michael steele. garrett, might this have been one of those hearings o...

"the washington post" share the byline that goes along with this headline, which says it all, and we quote. "i think you mean that, too." trump's aides struggle to defend, explain his foreign policy statements. just in the space of the last month, we've seen a few examples of this. >> some really bad things happened to otto. some really, really bad things, but he tells me, he tells me that he didn't know about it, and i will take him at his word. >> when he says i'm going to take him at his word, it doesn't mean that he accepts it as reality. he accepts that's what kim jong-un said. >> chairma...