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To say he is not a target, he's not a person of special interest. he's just somebody who the investigators really want to talk to. massive distraction. >> and there are, david swerdli swerdlick, a number of russia threads, the meeting with ambassador kislyak during the transition and the banker, sergey gourcuff. both meetings not disclosed initially on those clearance forms. there's that. there's the fact that he really ran the data analytics part of the campaign, and then there's his approval of michael flynn. which one of those matters most right now, do you think? >> yeah, poppy. so, first ...