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to discuss the war in ukraine. live now tojimena blanco, chief analyst and head of americas for the global risk intelligence company verisk maplecroft. she's in andalucia, spain. thank you so much forjoining us. take us through the agenda of this trip, what does lula want and from the chinese perspective? there are two areas of _ the chinese perspective? there are two areas of main _ the chinese perspective? there are two areas of main interest. - the chinese perspective? there are two areas of main interest. the - two areas of main interest. the first one is a commercial one. china ...

Diplomats call it in for brazil the conflicts in ukraine is very important becomes brazil imports a loss of fertilisers as a major agricultural exporter in the world so it has seen the impact of those supply chains being affected by the conflict but also brazil wants to move away from the idea that russia is the culprit in these controversial comments that lula has made in recent months about ukraine having some kind of responsibility in the conflict will not sit well with other major brazilian allies like the united states. interesting stuff, isn't like the united states. interesting stuff. i...