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This alleged meeting which was exactly around the time manafort joined trump's campaign, spring 2016. a source saying all of this went down around march, the very month when manafort started working for trump. the source is telling "the guardian" the key meeting lasted 40 minutes and they have detailsic like that he was dressed in chinos, a cardigan, and a light shirt. adding to the intrigue, manafort wasn't logged at the embassy, breaking protocol. tonight paul manafort is denying this story. i can report that. i can also report paul manafort is a serial liar who's already convicted of crimes...

In a very serious criminal conspiracy against the united states with a foreign power. >> and what is your view of bob mueller making these filings yesterday, blowing up paul manafort's plea deal and saying he continued to lie to mueller? why would paul manafort do that, and in your view, again, in oversight from the congress, does that raise for you questions about what exposure other people or the white house has on this? >> well, it raises a lot of questions. why manafort would have done that or why he would lie to the special prosecutor and blow up a plea deal and subject himself to very le...

Julian assange. >> looks a little different now. on that same show, both manafort and assange talked all about the russian hacks. >> does it not also matter if a foreign government wants to take part in our election, do you condemn that? >> of course we condemn that. that's not the issue at all. mr. trump was making the point that isn't it ironic 33,000 e-mails that our fbi can't have are sitting probably in the vaults of foreign countries. >> if a foreign government is involved, isn't that crucial information to civilians? >> i think that is an interesting question. we can't go around specula...

We could proceed to an indictment. >> what do you make of that in light of this? >> yeah, incredibly significant. just three days after the trump tower meeting, julian assange is going public saying he has this information. so if you assume that a legal corrupt deal was struck during the trump tower meeting, a promise for the russians to give dirt on hillary in exchange for a promise from trump that he will reduce or eliminate sanctions on the russians should he be elected, then you figure trump doesn't want his fingerprints on such a corrupt deal, it only begs the question, did they rely on a...

Cooperation agreement like that for the prosecute tore say, you're lying, we're not going to do it. >> there are other experts who says, mueller does lose something, potentially. >> he loses something but you've got to go before a judge and convince a judge that what you did was proper and is provable. which bottom line is, mueller's got the evidence of conspiracy here between the trump campaign and the russian government. that is the big headline from yesterday's news. >> you distill it so well for us as you often do. nick ackerman, thank you. coming up, i'm going to speak with someone who'...