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What does that tell you about how much mueller may know and how much he knows? >> the whole fact that he was able to blow up the manafort agreement, it's clear he had evidence independent evidence that will showed manafort was lying. he gave him that will last sort of ten-day chance to come clean and he didn't. how does he know? he said himself or the team did in the sentencing memorandum, he's going to give chapter and verse. that means he's going to give the facts and evidence that he knows that shows manafort was lying. to matt's point, remember manafort, was desperate for this job. right? ...

Hacked the democrats. how significant would that contact be? >> that's hard to say. there's a theory that manafort was somehow a middle man here or the plant in the campaign or provided the avenue through which russians worked with trump. these things remain, you know, in the air. and though it is a big question, you know, why was a campaign chairman brought in who did have these incredibly close contacts? you don't normally walk around washington and find somebody in bed with russian oligarchs and russian president's allies for years. it is an incredibly unusual al qaeda of profile. then to h...

Post." also reporting tonight that mueller is intensely interested in calls trump made to roger stone in 2016. i want to read this. in recent months the trump organization turned over to mueller's team phone and contact logs that show multiple calls between the then candidate and stone in 2016 according to people familiar with the material. the records are not a complete log of their contacts, someone told "the washington post" on wednesday that trump at times called him from other people's phones. stone said he never discussed wikileaks with trump and diminished the importance of any phone ca...

And makes a vague comment. what does he mean? if mueller had tapes would it be incriminating? it's wonderful -- wonderfully frank. look, stone was tweeting about, you know, john podesta, hillary's campaign manager was going to having trouble. he will seemed to anticipate wikileaks had information that was coming out. whether he was warn the trump campaign has been another big question in this investigation. now we know that he was talking to the president a lot. they go back years. stone kind of prides himself this republican dirty trickster horl probably thought he could help trump win the el...

By the way, i think corsi probably, mueller probably bounced him rather than vice versa. in any event, he's no longer a potential cooperator. >> interesting you should say that. listen, another question for you, manafort's lawyers were apparently telling the trump team everything that was going on with the investigation. you wrote a great piece in the "washington post" titled. the manafort witness deal implosion is a very big deal." mueller is full little entitled to subpoena manafort council kevin downing and whichever trump council spoke with him. one trusts it wasn't emmet flood who is too ...