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The people that something had to change, and we got abraham lincoln out of that. the sad, scary part of the 1850s is that preston brooks became a hero in the south, that the governor presented him with a silver goblet people running around with canes wanting to get other members of the antislavery movement, get seward next, they said, and part of that part of the 1850s where you had alternative realities, historians said when you saw that event and two narratives you saw there was something happening to the country. and there was a partisan grasp in the 1850s, when lincoln would be in debates ...

They say they're aware of it. the democratic a.g. in michigan said she thinks this is a clear-cut crime, but she referred it to federal prosecutors for further investigation. you're looking here at the fake certificates that a lot of people think may have been part of possibly criminal effort because you can't really send forgeries or fake documents to the national archives. so not only that, but the january 6th committee, they're also looking into it, and there's potentially a lot more to find. kate? >> sure seems like it. marshall, great to see you. thanks so much. joining me for more on t...

>> from what i saw yesterday, and as you talk to the top chris, and as brandi said, there's a lot of people who are part of this. i saw a lot of people who said brow democrats against medical mandates, that was one side of f of i heard if i heard correctly. and people who have just found their way -- this any particular way. which means, there's a powerful coalition coming together right now. people who otherwise don't have anything to do with each other are banding together on the single issue, and it's republicans's side to really plug into this, we could have a lot of comes a success in the...

For a grand jury. plus, what we know about the january six committee's conversations with former attorney general bill barr. and, brand new reporting on who is behind the scheme to seize voting machines. all that after this break.

Longer. there have been lots of examples where programs that are on the verge of success have stumbled and have prolonged the transition from pandemic to endemic because we've loosened up restrictions too soon. this is the winter olympics. i think we're a little bit ahead of our skis. >> dr. schaffner, a timely way to put it as we go through this. we'll continue this conversation with these governors making these decisions. we're in an interesting period to watch the next couple of weeks to see how it plays out. when we come back, brand-new cnn reporting on why mike pence decided to add a re...