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We trust them. it's story after story, whatever variation you want on it. the thing to keep in mind least about kelly's comments about immigration and immigrants, you know, kelly and trump are pretty aligned the same way on immigration our reporting shows. so as has been proven the past year, a lot of these white house officials are talking to an audience of one, the president himself. so you know, i don't know if we have seen anything this week that would risk kelly's tenure with the president. >> shepard: what is the status of portman's employment? it's a gray thing but sounds like they seem...

As our reporting shows, our understanding is that there has not been any agreement as yet in those talks and they continue. >> really moving the story forward, thank you very much. the director of the law program at george mason university is joining us. ed price is an msnbc analyst, spokesman for the nsc. let me start with you and get your reaction to some of the names i read a moment ago. this increasingly long list of folks who work in or is have worked for this administration having spoken to the special counsel and his team. as you look at them inning a grat there, that list in more tha...

And i love golf. but if i were in the white house, i don't think i'd ever see turnberry again. i don't think i'd ever see doral again. i own doral in miami. i don't think i'd ever see anything. i just want the stay in the white house and work by ass, make great deals, right? who is going to leave? who is going to leave? >> whose going to leave? well, new reporting shows donald trump spent, get this, a third of his entire presidency so far at trump properties. last night he said it was back to work in order to make america great again tomorrow. well, tomorrow came today, and trump was on the go...

Election? challenge them. you know, don't give in. why would a transparency organization want to sew chaos and create a constitutional crisis in the u.s.? >> that makes sense what you're saying and what your reporting shows. let me throw a different argument at you. you know, they say on the internet no one knows whether you're a pet dog, famous new yorker cartoon, i don't know if you've seen it. >> i'm a pet cat on the internet. >> no one knows you're a pet cat. the argument being, well, maybe whoever was behind this twitter account was just messing around, or trying to say things to mess wit...

Essentially go public. >> it's clear that people who heard this in the moment and there's a second ring clearly because our reporting shows -- >> we kind of know how this likely leaked, right? somebody in the room called the intel agencies to warn them, hey, this stuff is now out, fyi. >> and they're patriots. we should applaud them. >> it's their job. that's their job. i understand that your job is to do your job. classified information you didn't expect to leak out, your job is to call -- i hear you that some people will say, but it's also their job. >> but they're also getting attacked for ...