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The corrupt intent. all of this information goes to the intent. there's not much question here that prosecutors could prove if they were permitted to charge the president. he had corrupt intent to interfere with the investigations. >> jennifer mentioned a very keyword there. loyalty. he's been obsessed with people being loyal to him. he couldn't get that from -- whitaker was loyal. but couldn't get what he wanted. remember comey wouldn't do what he said as well. he's been obsessed with loyalty. is that part of the, not downfall. but part of where he's going wrong? this. >> this is the profound...

Obstruction. here's the president saying this is in endangers me. this prosecution investigation endangers me. i want someone in charge of it who will be loyal. michael was talking about. he wanted his appointed u.s. attorney who recused himself from the investigations. he wanted him back in charge. and supposedly according to the reporting whitaker reminded him that couldn't happen because of the recusal. trump doesn't pay attention to such ethics rules. >> but isn't the obstruction happening in plain sight? you're tweeting about someone. look into his father-in-law. whatever. hello? >> corre...

Specific. some are suggesting per j perjured himself. >> the white house asked for no promises. he didn't say they didn't toss the idea out there in a discussion. if "the new york times" reporting is right, here is the problem for whitaker. even if he ultimately, as gloria was saying, did the right thing and didn't interfere, if he is covering tracks for the president now and if the special counsel's investigation or if one of the congressional committees knows who the sources are for "the new york times" and they come before congress and tell a different story, whitaker will have to respond t...

That investigation, but they add an agency ethics official did suggest he step aside. late tonight, nbc news obtained a copy of a justice department letter sent to congress that explains all of this. "washington post" reporting whitaker disregarded that recommendation after his hand-picked team of advisers suggested he stay and not recuse himself. now whitaker apparently has no plans to step aside. well, with us to talk about it, cynthia oxney is back with us, a former federal prosecutor and a veteran of the justice department who also during her time worked with robert mueller. so, cynthia, d...

That investigation, but they add an agency ethics official did suggest he step aside. late tonight, nbc news obtained a copy of a justice department letter sent to congress that explains all of this. washington post reporting whitaker disregarded that recommendation after his hand picked team of advisors suggested he stay and not recuse himself. now whitaker apparently has no plans to step aside. well, with us to talk about it, cynthia oxney is back with us, the former federal prosecutor and veteran of the justice department who also during her time worked with robert mueller. so, cynthia, doe...