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Virginia house delegate charniele herring, democratic minority whip and chair of the state's reproductive rights caucus and terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. i think both of you are starting to get to know me pretty well and thank you for being on the program again tonight. when i start covering a story and i think it is dreadfully important to the american people, i just can't let it go and i'm not going let this one go. we're going to talk about ms. fluke's testimony in just a moment. first news out of virginia. representative herring, are you satisfied with th...

Contraception. let's start there. that makes me qualified to talk to my elected officials about my health care needs. >> i am joined tonight by virginia house delegate charniele herring, democratic minority whip and chair of the state's reproductive rights caucus and terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. i think both of you are starting to get to know me pretty well and thank you for being on the program again tonight. when i start covering a story and i think it is dreadfully important to the american people, i just can't let it go and i'm not going let this one go....

Sent out or asked for the amendment to be introduced that basically said exactly what you said. it would be voluntary, the internal examine, that there would still be ultrasound required. >> representative herring, you said the original procedure was akin to rape. where is this new procedure you feel? is it still a sex crime in a sense that it's so invasive? >> well, i think it's just still a mandate. and that's the problem. and actually mandating an unnecessary procedure. and that's the problem. when legislators start to practice medicine, they don't know what they're doing. let me tell you, ...

A doctor what procedure he should do and it's an improper role of government. >> nancy pelosi said the following with rachel maddow about the issue of contraception and abortion. i'd like to play that and get your thoughts at the end. >> this is something personal with women as sort of a sisterhood. women know this is not the place that public policy should intrude. >> representative herring, was this policy really done back doors by all males on the republican side? that seems to be what some reports in virginia suggest. >> right, and i believe it was. i don't know if a woman was at the table...

Health care needs. >> i am joined tonight by virginia house delegate charniele herring, democratic minority whip and chair of the state's reproductive rights caucus and terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. i think both of you are starting to get to know me pretty well and thank you for being on the program again tonight. when i start covering a story and i think it is dreadfully important to the american people, i just can't let it go and i'm not going let this one go. we're going to talk about ms. fluke's testimony in just a moment. first news out of virginia. repr...