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Was getting a little political there, because i don't think representative price is against medicare. no one is against medicare. and i think adjusting medicare so, again, that it stays secure is very important. and as long as people get better health care, health care that they can afford, and that they want to have, i think it is very important that we do-li look at that. >> that is the case when it comes to privatizing. now it would give the subsidies for them to go out and get the private insurance themselves. >> well, that's sort of the basis of obama care too. i don't think that all priv...

Say, $100,000, $150,000. that also doesn't make sense because they have a less ability to buy insurance. one of the consequences is that independent analyses of these kinds of proposals like representative price's have suggested somewhere around 9, 12, 15 million people will lose coverage compared to obama care. that is a huge number. these tax credits are the -- obama care has tax credits, too, in them. that's part of the subsidies that they get for buying insurance on the exchanges. and the obama tax credits are more generous than representative price's. so, if you like representative price'...

High premiums that everybody is getting. you're getting twice as much and getting half the care. we'll help these people who are paying for their own health care by giving them tax credits towards the money to offset the money that they pay for health care and to a lot of voters, that sounds like a great idea. what is your critique on that? >> well, say you're 35 years old, mr. price's suggestion is you get a $1,200 tax credit. let me tell you what your health insurance bill is likely to be. likely to be between $4,000 and $5,000. at 35 years of age, that means you're going to spend $2,800 to ...

At all. he can just block it on his own. >> zeke emmanuel, what do you see developing in the trump administration, given the campaign promise, neff going to cut medicare. never going to cut social security. we are going to repeal the affordable care act and replace it with something terrific. >> well, i think at the moment all you can say is there's a lot of uncertainty in which direction they're going, how much representative price will speak for the president is unclear. the president, i think, has genuinely said he's committed to getting all people who have coverage, coverage and in making ...

We have universal coverage in this country, he's even talked about medicare negotiating drug prices. how this pick of representative price matches those policy statements he made, i think it just makes it unclear which way we're going. and, you know, disagreements among the republicans about how to replace obamacare have been quite common. we've never really got and coherent plan. so we'll just have to see. i do think that may create an opening for negotiation with president trump. >> and i think it's unlikely that donald trump asked for some briefing on exactly how much he disagrees with pric...