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But we'll see. we'll see, for example, whether this gets germany and other europeans to dramatically accelerate their willingness to see their energy imports from russia go down. that to me will be the test. not whether it affects them emotionally, to be blunt. >> now the east. china, india specifically. is there political support, sustainable, if we continue to see these pictures of executions, execution style killings in ukraine? >> again, sorry to be so blunt and so down beat but yes, it is. these are countries themselves that have committed, shall we say, done in the course of the history,...

I was open to this idea, i remember there was a doctor in wuhan who died, he was trying to raise awareness, there was long talk of people in that lab up to something, not being forthcoming and we know that china is an authoritarian, repressive society where telling the truth can be a death sentence for use all of that is real. but it's also real that secretary pompeo and president trump did not provide any evidence and that we now have evidence that there were some people in that lab who got sick. earlier than we knew so i think it opens new lines of inquiry but, you know, for all this loving ...