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Do you know who those senators are? >> i've spoken to multiple senators who are apprehensive. six weeks is not terribly long in washington, dc so by saying you're going to extend the debt ceiling six weeks, it's going to come up right before thanksgiving again and does not allow a whole lot of time for negotiation. >> shepard: they want to have a fight over turkey? seriously? they don't want to do that. why would they do that? >> that's what lot of senate republicans are saying. they did not want me to use their names on the air because they said they realize speaker boehner has a tough deal t...

Some g.o.p. senators say it should include re-opening the government but for now they say that's not on the table. dana perino, used to be george bush's press secretary. and why don't we have a government anymore? >> i think there was date -- i thing in 2006 in that election next mid-term election when president bush lost handily to the democrats, we took a whooping, as president bush said, but since then -- i'm not saying this is republicans or democrats' fault. partly the media, the new way we all communicate. the politics of identity,ite politics is stronger perhaps than ever, the way we ta...

Spent $200 million on attack ads on those who would be for keeping the government open, came out yesterday and said we have no position on the debt ceiling, and all of a sudden around come republicans as they watch the polls. so, there's a lot of pressure, isn't there, mike? >> no question about that. you're right to mention the outside groups, from the right they're getting hammered and from the left democrats are getting hammered as well, and that complicates the situation even more. a lot of people are being asked by their supporters to stay in their respective corners and not come out of t...

Some slower. it was clear in the room that the leadership had broad support and consensus. >> shepard: what is it the republicans are hoping to get here? >> i think negotiations. the speaker has been very clear about that. he wants the president to agree to sit down and have a serious discussion about the long-term drivers of the debt and deficit and see if there's some way to address those problems. where i'm glad both sides agreed clearly they dent want to put the faith and credit of the united states at risk. i think that was strong signal today. the speaker also said, when we sit down, one...

Programs that are important to our future and making investments and those as present. >> shepard: representative kohl said almost the same thing. the republicans said we ought to be sitting down and talk about these things. now the democrat says we ought to talk about these thing, and yet nobody is talking about anything, the government is shut down and we're daysing a del ceiling? why can't anything get done in washington anymore? >> i don't think we actually have a fact based discussion. the problem with ideology is people go to the answer before they look at the facts. if we look at the fa...