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>> i think -- i believe, ed, that they're starting to drive them right over the cliff now. i mean, people in ohio do not want this kind of thing. as you said, there's got to be certain things that the government is able to do and do well like issuing passports and getting people coming in here, whether it's travel and tourism, or other things that the government has to do responsibly. so it's not about big government or small government. it's about whether or not the government we have actually works for the american people and helps business create wealth, whether it's transportation, roads a...

Republican colleagues again. what about that? >> i think -- i believe, ed, that they're starting to drive them right over the cliff now. i mean, people in ohio do not want this kind of thing. as you said, there's got to be certain things that the government is able to do and do well like issuing passports and getting people coming in here, whether it's travel and tourism, or other things that the government has to do responsibly. so it's not about big government or small government. it's about whether or not the government we have actually works for the american people and helps business creat...

>> i think -- i believe, ed, that they're starting to drive them right over the cliff now. i mean, people in ohio do not want this kind of thing. as you said, there's got to be certain things that the government is able to do and doç well like issuing passports and getting people coming in here, whether it's travel and tourism, or other things that the government has to do responsibly. so it's not about big government or small government. it's about whether or not the government we have actually works for the american people and helps business create wealth, whether it's transportation, roads...