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Sometimes we put more on athletes, and sometimes perhaps warranted. he posted this meme that mocks people and the vaccine. you see it there on the screen. does he have the responsibility to encourage people to get the vaccine and if he doesn't should he be flippant with a meme like this? >> he's responsibility is to g -- i don't understand what he was trying to convey there. a dude that's worth that much money and so concerned with everything that he generally says i wouldn't think this would be the time to be ambiguous. he's not in a place where he is allowed to back up and be, like, i was ju...

Times seems to get swept under the rug. some people say, well why talk about that? that's something that happened in the past. the president talking about how the past informs the present. >> two things about that. one is look, if you are, i think if you are really a middle of the road american out there in middle america, not sort of hyper partisan like on television, if you listen to what the president said, i think you come away with a better understanding of why this community feels this way, and why the reaction is that. i think ultimately that's what the president wanted to do, to speak ...

Why the reaction is that. i think ultimately that's what the president wanted to do, to speak to middle america and have middle america come to an ending and moving us forward. on the responsibility thing, you know, and joshua knows as well that the president has always gotten a lot of flak for that. going back to '08 in the primaries when he first did the fatherhood responsibility thing, the chatter in class gave him a hard time talking about responsibilities in the communities but something the president felt passionate about and guess what, something african americans felt passionate about ...