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As for macy and tim, they're both living in xenia, and their job prospects have been few and far between. >> there's really no hope of getting a job. at first i was thinking this cancels out restaurant work. but if i go in anywhere, i'm a pretty recognizable person at this point. so if i go in anywhere for a job, this guy is going to give us problems. he's going to be insubordinate. he's chaotic. we don't know what he's going to do. i'm pretty much canceled out of any kind of real job. and if it's not television or music or something like that, then i don't think it's happening at this point. ...

Anderson. 25% of farm workersh1re here illegally and gary was in a state where that type of work is big on illegal÷ immigrants. janitorial services are here illegally and restaurant work is 12%. they don't make much money at this. median family income is about $36,000 a year. you heard the numbers gary was talking about there. while they do take some very low wage jobs from citizens by working for even less, they often take those jobs from earlier waves of illegal immigrants, too, anderson. >> what about the notion they depress wages for u.s. citizens? >> that's a great question. that appears...

>> so what kind of jobs are illegal immigrants taking? >> an interesting question. farming is absolutely huge, anderson. pew says 25% of farm workers are here illegally. and gary was in a state where that type of work is big and it's a state that's heavy with illegal immigrants. 19% of workers in building maintenance or janitorial services are here illegally. in restaurant work, it's 12%. they don't make much money at this. the median family income is about $36,000 a year. you heard the numbers that gary was talking about. while they do take some very low-wage jobs from citizens by working eve...

>> go to the local meat processing plant or the chicken processing plant and watch what comes out of that plant at quitting time. hispanics and africans taking what are pretty tough, dirty, rough jobs because others don't want them. not many of us say to our sons and daughters, i'm hoping they will, when you decided to pick fruit for a living. you hardly ever hear that because we know it's hard backbreaking work and immigrants do the work. >> laura: that is so offensive on so many levels, we can spend an hour debunking it and analyzing it. from my own personal experience, my brothers, my mothe...

>> go to the local meat processing plant or the chicken processing plant and watch what comes out of that plant at quitting time. hispanics and africans taking what are pretty tough, dirty, rough jobs because others don't want them. not many of us say to our sons and daughters, i'm hoping they will, when you decided to pick fruit for a living. you hardly ever hear that because we know it's hard backbreaking work and immigrants do the work. >> laura: that is so offensive on so many levels, we can spend an hour debunking it and analyzing it. from my own personal experience, my brothers, my mothe...