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With the plan to install richard clark as new attorney general. so he could proclaim the big lie as justification for getting mike pence to reject the electoral college votes and kick the whole thing into a contingent election. this is the exact same process. there were people who saw the constitutional danger of what donald trump was doing. and they tried to blow the whistle a little bit in their way, they tried to act as a restraining force. of course, they didn't go out and talk to the department of justice. they didn't go out to talk to the media. they didn't blow the whistle publicly, but...

The whistle a little bit in their way. they tried to act as a restraining force. of course, they didn't go out to talk to the department of justice. they didn't go out to talk to the media. they didn't blow the whistle publicly. but at least they were doing what they could behind the scenes to try and stop it. it tells us a lot about what was taking place there and about how we might be able to avoid a situation like this in the future. and of course, that is the charge of the january six committee. to tell the truth and to tell a comprehensive and painstaking and find green way about what too...

Treasury just does institutional. part of that is the treasuryjust does not like spending money and tends to be a restraining force against the political will of the government and that sort of gets reflected in the chancellor but i think here is something just like political tensions between blair and brown, these tensions between boris johnson and richey sue neck art, i think, that this is a big political ideologicalfight think, that this is a big political ideological fight within the conservative part and during the pandemic, rishi sunak was against putting on restrictions like others in t...

Security. he knows when to go to court. he's been a restraining force. so the fact would send a message who really is strong and has the knowledge that is necessary for secretary of defense is somebody who the president doesn't necessarily go along with. and that's just sending a horrible message to our national security establishment. >> gloria, we now have the situation it seems like where pretty much all the cabinet secretaries who have meetings over seas with other world leaders or are in negotiations, i'm just wondering why they believe the president is very willingly to publicly undermin...

Words like devastate asking pathetic coming from diplomats. not really the kind of thing that diplomats say. >> not the kind of thing diplomats say, and not the kind of thing european diplomats say. one of the interesting and heartening elements of this whole story has been that it has put the backbone into the europeans. if you remember during the cold war and after the americans have always been the more forward leaning partner in this alliance. it's always been the americans that have been more aggressive on security concerns, more willing to take risks, more willing to see threats and nip ...