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Conflict. i'm actually in agreement with that. i think putin has realized that he overreached, and he's trying to scale back his objectives to what is feasible and give him some bargaining power in future peace negotiations. quite frankly, i agree with richard haass. this is going to be a long war. ukraine is not going to give in. there is no reason for them to give up a major part of their country to a person that will not really give them peace in the long run anyway. >> colonel, given that -- the difficulty of it is, indeed, going to be a long war, can you talk about the logistical skill an...

Have these prime ministers of three nato countries, poland, the czech republic, and slovenia, and they're going to kyiv, they're going, susan, into a war zone, to meet with president zelenskyy. >> it is pretty remarkable. this is, again, talk about off the script, this is a dramatic moment of eastern european solidarity against putin and, remember, that's exactly the reason why many of these countries decided to join -- wanted to join nato in the first place, a long, long history and memory of russian aggression in the neighborhood. and just to the point about putin and nato and the meeting ri...