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Is not a criminal act. you can do that, so where's the criminal violation? >> i think it's very likely that there is criminal liability associated with how this repayment was structured relating to what was disclosed from a campaign finance perspective. rudy giuliani says, well, no campaign funds were used so therefore there is no campaign finance violation. that's not how the law works. >> explain that. what he's been saying is $35,000 a month was paid from president trump to michael cohen his personal attorney on retainer, so as you well know, lawyers sometimes are kept on retainer, so how i...

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, mr. president and say not deliberately. but consistently. so let me be clear, mr. president. how can you drain the swamp if you're the one that keeps muddying the waters? you didn't know about the $130,000 payment to a porn star till you did. you acknowledged today you were the guy behind the retainer payment that took care of this. you insist that money from the campaign or campaign contributions played no role in this transaction. of that you're sure. the thing is, not 24 hours ago, sir, you couldn't recall any of this. you seem very sure. i'm not sayi...