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The window when the cops went in there and beat the living daylights out of hundreds of radical demonstrators. we aren't there yet. but i will tell you there's a real sense of instability and hostility in our politics and it is not going to work to the benefit of the anti-trumpers. neil: i also wonder when folks like chuck schumer come along and try to, you know, tamp this down a little bit especially when it comes to calls of getting rid of i.c.e. or what have you, i don't know whether that's resonating. we had a democratic strategist on said when it comes to these issues very few of the part...

what is the fallout of some of this? >> i know from having been in political campaigns, the temptation to pull stunts and get attention is almost irresistible for people who feel passionately, but clearly the american public, if you look at rasmussen's polling from last week, among likely voters, the american public is not on the side of those who cry out to abolish i.c.e. they actually want to see including crucially the independent voters want to see enforcement of our laws. they agree more closely with the position of the republicans and president trump. so i don't think this is going to...

I.c.e. and hear from some of the democratic party saying i.c.e. i.c.e. get rid of it. they are saying no, we like i.c.e., what it's doing at least 6 out of 10 are of that mind. is there disconnect? >> well, i think the democratic party is as it was in 1968 deeply split over the issue. you have gillibrand and others, cynthia nixon i think called i.c.e. a terrorist organization. people demanded it be shut down including the young lady who won that primary in queens. this is not 1969. frankly we lost dr. king and bobby kennedy within two months of each other. you had riots in 100 american cities....

Know better than any, tens of thousands in germany alone, what if the president were to withdraw some of those troops, what would happen? >> i mean, it would send a message, take germany, one, there's an economic aspect to the germans, you know, there's a lot of american soldiers over there. they spend money every day. that would make a ploy. you know, look at poland. poland -- i believe it's like 2 billion dollars to move a brigade task force or some type of element there, that to me, if that's a business move, i was a business guy, i understand those pieces, that's a negotiated piece that th...

stepping in to fill that void are some radicals on the very far left, people that are talking and have been marching on this about abolishing prisons, abolishing borders, abolishing i.c.e., and if the -- neil: that was just -- >> and if they are able to capture the democratic base's heart and energize them in a way that moderate democrats are not, this will spell doom for them in a general election. that may win primaries by activating most radical voter but it doesn't have mainstream appeal in the midterms or mainstream appeal in the 2020. neil: what do you think? >> i think everyone shoul...