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Two decades, and really the most important issues in the world, nuclear proliferation and terrorism, but things have only gotten worse on both fronts so it really hasn't gotten us anywhere, and that's why i'm questioning the relationship with pakistan because in many ways it inhibits our ability to deal with these important issues because we're trying to engage islamabad so it hasn't worked, and we need to sort of reverse course and try something that has the hope of actually achieving better results. >> that's what you think should happen. but that's not likely to happen. what's likely to hap...

We've been doing this for over the course of more than two decades on really the most important issues in the world, proliferation, nuclear proliferation, and terrorism. but things have only gotten worse on both fronts. so it really hasn't gotten us anywhere. and that's why i'm questioning our relationship with pakistan because in many ways it sort of inhibits our ability to deal with these important issues because we're trying to engage with islamabad. so it hasn't worked. and we need to sort of reverse course and try something that has a hope of actually achieving better results. >> that's w...

Meddlesome style and some people said he had become much more mellow. who was the george steinbrenner that you knew? >> the one that we were used to was the leader of the yankees who was willing at a moment's notice reverse course and fire a manager, as he did, you know, more than 20 times in 22 years. quite often that person being the volatile billy martin and this man who was restless and had that kind of football mentality of needing to win every single game when baseball teaches you those lessons of losses every single day. was able to at different eras at first in the late '70s when he fi...

Don't want to cut spending, so what gives? >> what gives is the market is going to say in the economy's subpar performances, we're going to get growth but not what brings unemployment back to 4 percent as we had a decade ago. so reality of events just as happened in the late 1970s when things just got worse and worse, the american people set enough, you see a good example of it in new jersey where the new governor there has proposed a dramatic spending cut, the legislature is up in arms about it but he's got the power and the public backing to do it. people know there's a big problem out there...

Completely without oversight. why did the president reverse course on this chinese telecom zte? was it because of reports china was going to invest 500 million in a trump branded property? is u.s. policy basically for sale in indonesia or in the middle east or through jared kushner? there are a great many serious allegations of impropriety. and chris, all you need to know about the current gop congress's unwillingness, complete abdication of any oversight responsibility, you can tell from a single statistic. and that is the chairman of the government oversight and reform committee, trey gowdy,...