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You in a rationality in fact free zone. >> you can't do it. i was thinking about your amusing remarks before. robert welch had a term -- robert welch the genius, the presiding genius of the john birch society called the reverse principle. let's say the soviets decide they're going to give up some of their nuclear war heads or the russians do in our time. they're not doing that. if they say they're going to do it, they have another plan. if you say you now want to be embraced by them and you're willing to accept their attacks and also that you invite them to point out statements that you've mad...

Of their conspiracies, is there a way to argue out of it, or are you in a rationality-free zone? >> i was thinking about your very amusing remarks. robert welch actually had a term, robert welch, the presiding genius. it's called the reverse principle. if the -- let's say the soviets decide they're going to give up some of their nuclear warheads, they're not really doing that, or if they say they're going to do it, it's because they have another plan. so if you say you now want to be embraced by them and you're willing to accept their attacks, and also that you invite them to point out, you kn...