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Reverse psychiatry. he is psychiatrist. he knows what he is asking for maybe he doesn't want that because he is asking for it? >> right, that is definitely a possibility. i'm telling you right now juries are a lot smarter than people think. if he is trying to play these people, especially a jury of military officer of all folks, really more so than anything else going to fall on those deaf ears, there is no doubt in my mind. arthel: the overall question should hasan be sentenced to death? i go back to you, jeff. when we factor in the rules governing that military jury? >> right. and, i mean ag...

>> let me add something. >> i knew him as a reporter. i'm telling you now, net net. why people of disaster to america. it is a negative. >> listen, i'm not going to argue with you. i'm not going to speak for the black community on al sharpton. >> for america it's a negative. >> i'm going to say this, he is -- i'm not going to say who people should pick as their leaders. >> black people didn't vote for him. listen, if 100 people -- >> the reason the president wants to meet with the guy. >> he uses reverse psychiatry. al sharpton tried this with me in church. you ain't black enough. you ain't hi...