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Even realistic? >> well, look, i mean, i think to a certain extent the off-ramp is something that u.s. officials i talk to are trying to figure out. i think very senior members of this administration don't see an obvious off-ramp right now. and part of the problem is the maximalist goals with which putin approached the war. as far as u.s. officials were saying publicly and still believe that putin barely believes that ukraine should exist as a sovereign nation. and certainly the goals, according to the u.s. officials i talked to, and frankly president putin's rhetoric itself, is regime change,...

Really had a political undertone. >> it's interesting the president's use of the term law and order, i think in many communities, particularly communities of color wonder law for who? what is the exact order? >> and this is a guy who came in favor of stop and frisk people. on the campaign trail. this rally was intended to tie immigrants to crime, that's why this thing existed. he singled out this particular gang. he repeatedly inflated numbers. he said there were x number of people who committed these crimes. however there were 4,000 people that moved from suffolk county and he implied, he dir...