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Intelligence. >> you know, richard, i was -- we talked about foreign policy apparatus and what donald trump -- who donald trump is picking, i read an early version of your book this summer. of course it's barbecue time, so what am i going to do? >> i made a few he had itedits. >> it's extraordinarily relevant now, at least the version i read was right after brexit. there's been a continuation, sort of an acceleration of the pattern that caused you to write this book. again, not only a world in disarray, government in disarray, structures in disarray. you were talking about nato blowing apart e...

Hearings on what america looks like when interest rates double and we're paying trillions of dollar services the debt or the economy goes up in flames. i want those hearings because that's going to happen if we don't get serious about the debt brf i agree with those things but i'm sure saying he has to tie things up. not political. >> talking about richard's book. >> by the way, willie -- i get the early edition of this book. there are not better tips for barbecuing on this book. it's a surprise because you're thinking, okay, i know where this is going. under the circumstances to the middle of...

If you look at where we are now, the u.s. economy is not doing that badly compared to other developed economies out there. but the fact is china has caught up dramatically in terms of overall economic power. i think the bigger concern is that u.s. values genuinely seem to be on retreat as a result of both overreach in the cases of iraq and perhaps libya as well as, i believe, richard said before the break reticent by the obama administration to promote them. we're going to see less american values under a trump administration. >> dan, we've been talking about riarded book. we've been talking a...

We need him to be disruptive. if there were an area for donald trump to say i'm going to do something outside the political mainstream, it's tackling entitlements. >> willie, back in 2009 after concerns about the price tag on the stimulus package, barack obama held a deficit reduction summit. he said we can no longer kick the can down the road on social security, medicare. that sound we've heard for the last 20 years is kicking the cab down the road. >> we continue to do it. the question for a lot of people. you're right about debt in the book and the threat of it, when does it reach a breakin...

Disarray." also at the table former director of cia, nsa, retired general michael hayden. richard, congratulations on the book out. >> thank you. >> long awaited. >> we're going to talk about that book, though, later. >> no. i thought general hayden could give us some context to the book. >> we'll ask a couple of questions and get to the book. richard, you're hear until next week, right? we have a little time. we have seven minutes with you. what are you saying? you had some major concerns with trump, very critical through the campaign, very concerned about his early picks. what are you seeing...