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>> how did you get out? >> how did i get out? we just worked. and that's the interesting thing. you hit on something. you try to work as hard as you can to stay away from what is anticipated or expected for you as a black person in this country, unfortunately. and it's hard work that gets you out of that. but i'm going to tell you this. i go into that community. my hairdresser is just blocks from penn and north. you know, when i was a kid, there was a nightclub that we used to frequent on that street called odell's. the school headquarters is down the street. you also have this wonderful commu...

>> how did you get out? >> how did i get out? we just worked. and that's the interesting thing. you hit on something. you try to work as hard as you can to stay away from what is anticipated or expected for you as a black person in this country, unfortunately. and it's hard work that gets you out of that. but i'm going to tell you this. i go into that community. my hairdresser is just blocks from penn and north. you know, when i was a kid, there was a nightclub that we used to frequent on that street called odells. the school headquarters is down the street. you also have this wonderful commun...