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That there is implicit executive privilege that's not waveived, t for dearborne there's no problem. there is no expectation of executive privilege. so, i guess again to the chaos of the white house -- >> let me stop there, though. this is a really important point. one, you and i worked in the white house. my understanding is rick dearborne's job was -- wasn't he the staff secretary? he would have seen literally every piece of paper that went in front of the president. >> right. >> if there is ever the kind of job around which you'd invoke executive privilege, it would be someone with rick dear...

Just said he said in "fire and fury" and steve bannon was around on a campaign that's being investigated for potential collusion with russia. >> yeah. >> what are the other variables i'm missing? >> it's also the form of the communications happening. look, i'm not a constitutional scholar on privilege -- >> you're not? you're fired. >> i wish we had an hour on privilege. executive privilege. there are different kinds of communication, right, so there may be oral communications that are invoked for purposes of privilege that may not have to do with anything that goes through the staff secretary...

I think there's no question that she will. but this gets back to your question, which is she knows everything and presumably dearborne -- >> finish your point. >> i do think, then, the environment matters because if you have multiple people in the same conversation, you have rick dearborne testifying to what happened and you have bannon there as well, then you have a really hard time claiming executive privilege over the communications if you've already waived it or it's already been testified to. that's where the white house counsel's job becomes very tricky a rourround the paramete where you...

And has played a critical role for policy and philosophy to undergird the implementation of that agenda. what we are witnessing is the birlgtd of a new political order. he is talking to you about a movement. help us understand who are the people behind this movement. who is pulling the strings, if you will, inside the white house? maybe that's not the right term but who is orchestrating all of this? >> sessions has many, many allies within the trump white house. not only steve bannon, but steven miller the policy adviser who has been writing many of they executive orders. rick dearborne the pr...