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Eu. >> ukraine is not part of the eu. just today i happened to be speaking with gordon sondelin's predecessor who served for several years in brussels as our ambassador to the european union. he said he never visited ukraine. he thought about visiting it because there are some issues, but he said you know, it just didn't seem worth his time or the cost to the government to have him go to ukraine. it's quite sundelind would have focused so much on a country that's not even part of the european union. >> so, why is he doing it? >> well, he's been quoted as saying, quote, the president asked him ...

My re-election campaign. all of that seems empty when you see spicer looking for a television gig. >> the irony of that. >> by the way, what's draining the swamp. there's something about the revolve door. this is normal in washington. one of the president's promises w was to drain the so called swamp. maybe decrease some of the coziness, some of the insider nation in washington. if reince priebus goes out and gets a million dollar book deal, doesn't that contradict. >> i wonder what the president would think if sean spicer ends up on nbc or reince priebus gets a media gig. real quick. page 6. ...

Highest iq. >> reporter: trump tapping freshman republican congressman ryan zinke as interior secretary and one-time rival former texas governor rick perry for energy secretary. perry now set to run the energy department after trying to suggest eliminating it altogether. but for getting to name the department during this 2011 presidential debate. >> the third agency of government i would do away with the education -- the commerce -- let's see. i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> reporter: if confirmed the top four picks of trump's administration will be led by white males, a first...

Putting rick perry at energy kind of, you know, fits i think a couple of different things. one is that. you have people who are essentially dedicated to moving these agencies very quickly to the right. also another point that he values donald trump values experience over expertise. you look across this cabinet at the generals and the former governors and the ceos like rex tillerson as opposed to, you know, as jackie noted, the nuclear physicist that president obama put in energy. democrats put, i think, kind of orient more towards policy expertise. republicans general prefer executive experien...

Beyond this one nomination. >> how do you explain rick perry if it's that donald trump is trying to show he'll pick people, this is great distinction and all republicans will respect these people. why rick perry? not only did he have that gaffe which was really more than a gaffe. the reason he couldn't remember the department of energy is because he was just throwing it out there. when you have conviction about something, you don't forget the name of what you're talking about. assuming he could have remembered and he ran down donald trump. donald trump dismissed him as a fool and now puts him ...