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Vice president pence signaling that major shift in diplomacy after all of president trump's tough talk about north korea. now the administration says it is willing to sit down and talk with the kim regime. joining me now, rick stangle for undersecretary of state of public affairs. and ambassador wendy sherman, an nbc global affairs contributor, and someone who's gong to pyongyang with madeline albright to negotiate with the north koreans. rick, first to you. is it a good thing that mike pence is now talking after some said being too tough at the opening opening ceremonies, snubbing the joi joi...

Have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. you can say in the same breath that kim jong-un is a brutal dictator but also say it's a good idea for north and south korea to start talking to each other. that's part of the policy that we've had for 40 years. >> and wendy, you've been to pyongyang. you've stared them in the face. we are not oblivious to all the human rights abuses. probably a good thing that fred warmbier went with the vice president to make that point because they were concerned about the public relations advantages that the north koreans were enjoying at these olympic...

That entered israeli air space. in one of these missions, an af-af f-16 was lost, an israeli f-16. this is an escalating conflict. >> this is very much an escalating conflict. we saw in the "new york times" today a really tough story about what's happening in gaza and how it's falling into despair. they may decide that their best way out is to start a conflict with israel. so israel's security is very much on the line at the moment. but as we're all concerned about north korea, we also have to be concerned about an arab/persian war, which also might be on the horizon. >> in fact, rick, a lot o...

Values and pursued a vision of fairness and justice and equality that shouldn't just resonate in the hearts of african-americans but frankly should resonate in the hearts of all americans. that is, i think, so much of the essence of what president obama's leadership and what his vision for this country was all about. this was always a special holiday for president obama when he was in the white house. he used to take his wife and daughters to go and participate in a community service project here in the washington, d.c. area. the martin luther king holiday shouldn't be a day of rest but rath a...

Racist person that we have ever interviewed. president trump defending himself against charges he is a racist amid an uproar over what he called african countries. according to senator dick durbin and others reporting to nbc news, moments ago senator durbin responding to those who said he never said it. >> i stick with my original interpretation. i am stunned that this is their defense. >> joining me now is nbc kristen welker at the white house, along with rick stangle. and still with me, political analyst josh earnest, press secretary to president obama. kristin, for the president and two of ...