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>> these are difficult issues. i think conservatives, part of what they believe is the core of obama care is the mandate you have to do something. warrant one way or the other is going to try to mandate you do something for your own good. that's the belief. still a question about whether they can really carry that off. that is the great uncertainty that's surrounding us. >> white house briefing started. lets listen to baa bit of jay carney discussing this and we'll be right back. >> you have actuaries saying -- because they are not taking into account what hhs will be able to do? is that what ...

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Obamacare's creators decided they would tell insurance companies if you lose money don't worry. we will bail you out. they are unpopular. they used insurance company term risk corridor. that is why i embarrass myself dressing as uncle sam and doing silly stunts. you can't get your brain around it unless you watch someone demonstrate it. is it really this bad? am i exaggerating? let's ask healthcare specialist betsy mccoy. is it really this bad? >> it is. it is corrupt. you are fooling the public's own money. price your plans lower than what you actually need to cover your costs and we will com...

Hold up the employer mandate which holds up businesses with 50 employees or more, if they don't have coverage,are held in. it is a pretty big ruling. if the supreme court, if it gets this high they could rule in their way. >> and the argument you hear for a lot of people is the obama white house, just from the number two democrat in the house yesterday, said hey, the wind has shifted and it is going in our favor and for the health care law. is there a sentiment here that more people are signing up, albeit slowly, clumsily? are there a lot of hurdles? >> people are scared of these hurdles, as y...

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