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And i don't defend fgm. i don't defend mutilation. i would never defend the mutilation of anyone. i don'tt identify with the term fgm, with the term mutilation. i don't know anyone in my family who does or my community. and from over 25 years of research i have done on the field, i say the great majority of women who are affected by what i call female circumcision practices do not see themselves as mutilated, so i think we need to interrogating how we use that terminology. >> tucker: i almost don't want to specify what it refers to becausemi it is upsetting. >> i think we should. >> tucker: it...

Worst thing you can do to a child. >> okay, so, back to the case of the doctor who is now in prison awaiting trial. she is accused, she is charged of fgm, mutilating a 7-year-old girl. she performed nicks, type ia to the clitoral foreskin. >> tucker: i don't know that it is true. >> it is true. the activists that actually made that term female genital mutilation, they have conflated it with these different -- >> tucker: some of those activists are victims of the practice themselves. they say this has affected their life and their happiness and their ability to experience happiness in a profoun...

That's not your only demand. but that is one of the key demands from this list that i have and you are doing a lot tom get this. why not just paint it yourself? pick a saturday and paint it the colors you want? >> because that is vandalism and black students are often arrested and often sometimes shot down by police and we do not want to put ourselves at that type of risk.do >> tucker: okay. another one of your demands is for housing guarantees, i'm quoting now, "for all black caribbean identified students." so, housing just for african-american or african students. that sounds a lot like the ...

Currently, about six to seven black students live in the rosa parks african-american themed house.ut we are trying to ensure that black students who do decide to come to uc santa cruz know that they have somewhere where they will be accepted, where they can live peacefully among whoever else chooses to live there with the shared common goals. >> tucker: so, would the guarantees also go to white studentsco or samoan students ae -- or korean students? would they be excluded from the guarantees? >> many students, we don't speak for the white students, the samoan students, or the korean students. ...

Of the female genital anatomy. is it okay if i actually say what that part is? there is a misconception about what actually, what the surgeries entail. there is no female circumcision procedureta that removes the clitoris of a woman. it's absolutely impossible to remove a woman's clitoris without killing her. what it is exposed is a tiny fraction of what is an expansive organ ---- >> tucker: i will stop you hathere. before we get too into it. let me just say, woulduc you concede, because there are a lot of women who feel mutilated this is not -- this is being led by women. maybe we should let ...