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They recognize there is a high risk pool that does need extended coverage and there is a financial challenge, financially challenged pool that does need federal assistance. >> donald trump tweeted as was expected. three republicans and 48 democrats have let the country down. he said also, i said from the beginning, let obamacare implode, then deal. watch. tell me how you interpret that. >> listen, this is the president shifting his plan again based on whatever happens on the hill. we saw this, right, initially it was repeal and replace, it was wither on the vine. this president is not a policy...

Health care, doesn't make sense to isolate these people in one spot? are they the ones where driving up the costs for everyone and as taxpayers, we are going to pay for them no matter what because of they don't have insurance, they're going to go to the hospital, the hospital will take that as a loss, write it off on their taxes, and all of us will pay for it. is that when idea? there's a giant pool of people using it. >> the point you made is important. we pay for it one way or another. we either need to pay for it when someone gets stage three or four cancer, can't pay for it and gets treatm...

Individuals saw their premiums go up at a disproportional rate because maybe.mandate wasn't good enough and maybe there weren't enough people in the risk pool. but that's real for them, right. it's personal. it's 3% of the population and your insurance rates are much more than you thought. how do we fix that problem? >> well, i think the easiest way to fix it and the most direct way to fix it is actually expand that subsidy pool. so if you think about most people get their insurance in their workplace, their employer pays a share of the insurance. these are folks who are out there purchasing i...

>> let me ask you about it, david, i love bringing it up. the 34 out of the 35 richers est -- richest countries in the world, you see them with slightly better outcomes. when did this become a liberal versus a conservative thing, because if i'm a conservative and want government to spend less, i would look at some of the other conservative policies. why did this become a political conservative thing? >> i think there were just not enough single payers, listen, the two senators you had on tonight talked about the cost of prescription drugs. they didn't offer, and i say it respectfully, a real p...

Dream scenario of let's get everybody in a big room and start over. >> look, if you're saying repeal and delay, that puts you in i think a completely untenable situation. there's a reason they didn't do that in the first place. it denies coverage to 32 million people and reattaches the idea of taking away coverage of millions of working class working americans. the coverage expansion is primarily on those who are working and tying that to tax cuts for people at the top, as chris was talking about. that is just politically toxic as can be. i think what this requires you to do if you want to mov...