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Gets in a car wreck. for example, if we do it then the cruise amendment it's a good one. >> chris: as it now stands, it is a nonstarter for you? >> i don't know the limit. if it turns out it's two plants. >> chris: that's what he's described. >> that's okay, with two risk pools, then that's bad. >> chris: that's what he's described. >> no, he has not yet designated if you have a single risk pool or two. if it is a single risk pool, that works. if it is too, that is the obama care re-created. we need to do something different than obama care. >> chris: at least ten republican senators have not ...

Spent on research and development here, look at things like cancer. the amount that's been done here, people come from all over the world to get experimental treatments here. all of that happens here. when you go to more of a socialized route, you're not going to see that happen. >> even though in those other systems with universal coverage, life expectancy at birth in general is actually higher. so where america succeeds on cancer, it doesn't succeed as much with heart disease, with diabetes, with alzheimer's, other things like that. ultimately i think that we have a critical mass problem. al...

Companies don't know what is coming next, all these people involved in the industry can't predict what is coming down the road. >> absolutely right, chris is a really smart guy, he also knows that part of the reason everything is collapsing is because of president trump's executive order withdrawing subsidies to the insurance companies, of course they aren't pulling out of the market. there are already issues that needed to be addressed with obamacare. business executives want some idea of what is coming in the future. all of this uncertainty makes them uncertain and reluctant to invest or com...

Attract more monyoung people to join the exchanges because we immediate more young people to spread the risk pool and reduce the costs. >> democrats, at least some of them will never let this happen because they don't want to give the president a win, i know you have heard that, what do you say to them? >> look, i'm just tell you what some republicans and i did about a week and a half ago, we came together on a bipartisan basis to basically pass a bill unanimously through the u.s. house of representatives, with regard to the reauthorization of technical and vocational education. hopefully this...

And i frankly don't know what to tell them. i don't know what the end game is for republicans and they seem to be looking that the as a game. this is life and death for way too many people. >> so your overall argument has been it's not that obamacare has been a failure but instead, you know, as a framework but instead it has been undermined and that has weakened a health care plan that you've long believed in. >> well, there are some things that would be helpful to fix, having the ability to have a balanced risk pool and health insurance companies who have too many older and sicker people sign...